Being short
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Heightism is a problem. Why is it that people affected by heightism do not speak out against it?
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(06-23-2018, 11:31 PM)Maryanne Wrote: Heightism is a problem. Why is it that people affected by heightism do not speak out against it?

You've answered your own question. Heightism does not exist. If it did there would be a large movement for short people by now, like the feminist and anti-racist movements. Clearly most short people don't feel oppressed. If you look at these short guys who fight for "equal rights" you'll see that they are actually angry narcissists who can't stand the fact that they have a very negative trait, and that they can't be as assertive as they want to be because of their small stature. People naturally associate size with authority and no amount of whining is going to change that.
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#3
I don't think anything can be done about it to be honest.
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(06-23-2018, 11:31 PM)Maryanne Wrote: Heightism is a problem. Why is it that people affected by heightism do not speak out against it?

Because as Paulus said, "heightism" doesn't exist.  "Heightism" doesn't exist just as "intelligenceism" doesn't exist.  

When it comes to women and minorities consider some of what they have had to go through such as slavery, not being able to vote, being denied various jobs, segregation, not being able to get a checking account or loan without their father's or husband's approval, etc.  There is no equivalent things done to shorties.  

Shorties have never been enslaved due to their lack of height.  
Shorties have never been denied the vote due to their lack of height.
Shorties have never been told that they had to have a tall person cosponsor their loans or checking accounts.
Shorties have never been segregated.
Shorties have never been denied jobs for being too short.
Shorties have never been the victims of police brutality for being short.

When a shorty complains about "heightism", they mean one of two things.  Either they're complaining they can't get laid or complaining about a vague sense of "not being taken seriously".  Both of those things happen to everyone, but the rest of us aren't reeking of entitlement about it.  Very few people (perhaps no one) can truly get sex on demand.  Everyone has experiences about not being taken seriously due to a wide variety of reasons.  Shorties are experiencing what everyone else experiences, but in their gross entitlement, they make a conspiracy about it.  It's not a conspiracy.  It's simply the human experience.

Lastly, I find the idea that anyone would say such a thing as "heightism" exists.  It's offensive to the struggles that women and minorities have had to go through and still go through.
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(06-24-2018, 08:55 PM)StillGrowing Wrote:
(06-23-2018, 11:31 PM)Maryanne Wrote: Heightism is a problem. Why is it that people affected by heightism do not speak out against it?

Because as Paulus said, "heightism" doesn't exist.  "Heightism" doesn't exist just as "intelligenceism" doesn't exist.  

When it comes to women and minorities consider some of what they have had to go through such as slavery, not being able to vote, being denied various jobs, segregation, not being able to get a checking account or loan without their father's or husband's approval, etc.  There is no equivalent things done to shorties.  

Shorties have never been enslaved due to their lack of height.  
Shorties have never been denied the vote due to their lack of height.
Shorties have never been told that they had to have a tall person cosponsor their loans or checking accounts.
Shorties have never been segregated.
Shorties have never been denied jobs for being too short.
Shorties have never been the victims of police brutality for being short.

When a shorty complains about "heightism", they mean one of two things.  Either they're complaining they can't get laid or complaining about a vague sense of "not being taken seriously".  Both of those things happen to everyone, but the rest of us aren't reeking of entitlement about it.  Very few people (perhaps no one) can truly get sex on demand.  Everyone has experiences about not being taken seriously due to a wide variety of reasons.  Shorties are experiencing what everyone else experiences, but in their gross entitlement, they make a conspiracy about it.  It's not a conspiracy.  It's simply the human experience.

Lastly, I find the idea that anyone would say such a thing as "heightism" exists.  It's offensive to the struggles that women and minorities have had to go through and still go through.

Great post but 6'11.5" and "StillGrowing"? Come on man  Big Grin
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#6
Because you need to form a large group of people to fight against discrimination. The problem is that people tend to identify with their ethnic group, race, or gender, instead of people of similar height. I'm pretty sure a 5'4" black man has much more in common with a 6'4" black man than a 5'4" white man.
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#7
Because short men would rather tone police other short men then attack heightists.
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(06-24-2018, 08:55 PM)StillGrowing Wrote: Because as Paulus said, "heightism" doesn't exist.  "Heightism" doesn't exist just as "intelligenceism" doesn't exist.  

When it comes to women and minorities consider some of what they have had to go through such as slavery, not being able to vote, being denied various jobs, segregation, not being able to get a checking account or loan without their father's or husband's approval, etc.  There is no equivalent things done to shorties.  

Shorties have never been enslaved due to their lack of height.  
Shorties have never been denied the vote due to their lack of height.
Shorties have never been told that they had to have a tall person cosponsor their loans or checking accounts.
Shorties have never been segregated.
Shorties have never been denied jobs for being too short.
Shorties have never been the victims of police brutality for being short.

When a shorty complains about "heightism", they mean one of two things.  Either they're complaining they can't get laid or complaining about a vague sense of "not being taken seriously".  Both of those things happen to everyone, but the rest of us aren't reeking of entitlement about it.  Very few people (perhaps no one) can truly get sex on demand.  Everyone has experiences about not being taken seriously due to a wide variety of reasons.  Shorties are experiencing what everyone else experiences, but in their gross entitlement, they make a conspiracy about it.  It's not a conspiracy.  It's simply the human experience.

Lastly, I find the idea that anyone would say such a thing as "heightism" exists.  It's offensive to the struggles that women and minorities have had to go through and still go through.
So if black people were never enslaved, denied the right to vote,segregated,denied jobs, or the victims of police brutality then racism would be ok?
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(06-29-2018, 10:50 PM)luro98 Wrote: So if black people were never enslaved, denied the right to vote,segregated,denied jobs, or the victims of police brutality then racism would be ok?

So if short people were never enslaved, denied the right to vote, segregated, denied jobs and victimized by the police then heightism would be ok?

Oh wait... none of those things have actually happened.
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(06-30-2018, 11:08 AM)paulus Wrote:
(06-29-2018, 10:50 PM)luro98 Wrote: So if black people were never enslaved, denied the right to vote,segregated,denied jobs, or the victims of police brutality then racism would be ok?

So if short people were never enslaved, denied the right to vote, segregated, denied jobs and victimized by the police then heightism would be ok?

Oh wait... none of those things have actually happened.

Yes, because you need to be enslaved to be discriminated against  Rolleyes.

Heightism doesn’t exist, you say?


From: Malcolm Gladwell 

 In the U.S. population, about 14.5 percent of all men are six feet or over. Among CEOs of Fortune 500 companies, that number is 58 percent. Even more strikingly, in the general American population, 3.9 percent of adult men are 6’2″ or taller. Among my CEO sample, 30 percent were 6’2″ or taller. . Of the tens of millions of American men below 5’6″, a grand total of ten–in my sample–have reached the level of CEO, which says that being short is probably as much, or more, of a handicap to corporate success as being a woman or an African-American.

...that means 2% of Fortune 500 CEOs are men under 5'6", while 4% are women and 7% are African-American. (African-American women make up less than 2%.)
...when corrected for variables like age and gender and weight, an inch of height is worth $789 a year in salary. That means that a person who is six feet tall, but who is otherwise identical to someone who is five foot five, will make on average $5,525 more per year.

Michigan includes height and weight in its equal protection statute - http://www.michigan.gov/mdcr/0,4613,7-138-4954_4997-16288--,00.html

Height restrictions in Ivy League Schools - http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2005/10/10/getting-in

Sperm Bank height requirements - http://www.salon.com/2011/09/25/sex_cells_interview/

FDA rules that healthy short kids have a disease called "idiopathic short stature" (my bad, it was in 2003, not 2000) - http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/03/transcripts/3957T1.pdf

Boys committing suicide due to height bullying - http://thesocialcomplex.tumblr.com/post/98522110949/14-year-old-bullied-to-death-for-being-short and http://thesocialcomplex.tumblr.com/post/98520339484/the-truth

Wage gap due to height discrimination greater than gender - http://www.livescience.com/5552-taller-people-earn-money.html ("Height was found to be more important than gender in determining income, and its significance doesn't decline with age.") 

Shorter candidates less likely to be hired or promoted - http://epubs.utah.edu/index.php/ulr/article/viewFile/246/218("One business expert has suggested that an additional four inches in height “make[s] much more difference in terms of success in a business career than any paper qualifications you have” and that it would be better to be “5 ft. 10 and a graduate of N.Y.U.’s business school than 5 ft. 6 and a Harvard Business School graduate.” Another commentator concluded that “being short is probably as much, or more, of a handicap to corporate success as being a woman or an African American.”") and http://www.jonathanrauch.com/jrauch_articles/height_discrimination_short_guys_finish_last/

Short people less likely to win elections - http://www.omgfacts.com/lists/9414/Since-1900-the-taller-candidate-has-almost-always-won-the-presidential-election-ab637-1

Percentage is men and women saying “I am Okay with my height” - https://m.imgur.com/bVTMPgT
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(07-02-2018, 06:23 PM)luro98 Wrote:
(06-30-2018, 11:08 AM)paulus Wrote:
(06-29-2018, 10:50 PM)luro98 Wrote: So if black people were never enslaved, denied the right to vote,segregated,denied jobs, or the victims of police brutality then racism would be ok?

So if short people were never enslaved, denied the right to vote, segregated, denied jobs and victimized by the police then heightism would be ok?

Oh wait... none of those things have actually happened.

Yes, because you need to be enslaved to be discriminated against  Rolleyes.

Heightism doesn’t exist, you say?


From: Malcolm Gladwell 

 In the U.S. population, about 14.5 percent of all men are six feet or over. Among CEOs of Fortune 500 companies, that number is 58 percent. Even more strikingly, in the general American population, 3.9 percent of adult men are 6’2″ or taller. Among my CEO sample, 30 percent were 6’2″ or taller. . Of the tens of millions of American men below 5’6″, a grand total of ten–in my sample–have reached the level of CEO, which says that being short is probably as much, or more, of a handicap to corporate success as being a woman or an African-American.

...that means 2% of Fortune 500 CEOs are men under 5'6", while 4% are women and 7% are African-American. (African-American women make up less than 2%.)
...when corrected for variables like age and gender and weight, an inch of height is worth $789 a year in salary. That means that a person who is six feet tall, but who is otherwise identical to someone who is five foot five, will make on average $5,525 more per year.

Michigan includes height and weight in its equal protection statute - http://www.michigan.gov/mdcr/0,4613,7-138-4954_4997-16288--,00.html

Height restrictions in Ivy League Schools - http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2005/10/10/getting-in

Sperm Bank height requirements - http://www.salon.com/2011/09/25/sex_cells_interview/

FDA rules that healthy short kids have a disease called "idiopathic short stature" (my bad, it was in 2003, not 2000) - http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/03/transcripts/3957T1.pdf

Boys committing suicide due to height bullying - http://thesocialcomplex.tumblr.com/post/98522110949/14-year-old-bullied-to-death-for-being-short and http://thesocialcomplex.tumblr.com/post/98520339484/the-truth

Wage gap due to height discrimination greater than gender - http://www.livescience.com/5552-taller-people-earn-money.html ("Height was found to be more important than gender in determining income, and its significance doesn't decline with age.") 

Shorter candidates less likely to be hired or promoted - http://epubs.utah.edu/index.php/ulr/article/viewFile/246/218("One business expert has suggested that an additional four inches in height “make[s] much more difference in terms of success in a business career than any paper qualifications you have” and that it would be better to be “5 ft. 10 and a graduate of N.Y.U.’s business school than 5 ft. 6 and a Harvard Business School graduate.” Another commentator concluded that “being short is probably as much, or more, of a handicap to corporate success as being a woman or an African American.”") and http://www.jonathanrauch.com/jrauch_articles/height_discrimination_short_guys_finish_last/

Short people less likely to win elections - http://www.omgfacts.com/lists/9414/Since-1900-the-taller-candidate-has-almost-always-won-the-presidential-election-ab637-1

Percentage is men and women saying “I am Okay with my height” - https://m.imgur.com/bVTMPgT

Are these links supposed to prove discrimination? They don't. All they do is prove that: 

1) Height is a positive trait same way a muscular physique is
2) Short men are less confident, same way ugly people are, for obvious reasons

You clearly have no idea what discrimination is, which is not surprising considering you're a white man from Virginia.
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(07-02-2018, 06:23 PM)luro98 Wrote:
(06-30-2018, 11:08 AM)paulus Wrote:
(06-29-2018, 10:50 PM)luro98 Wrote: So if black people were never enslaved, denied the right to vote,segregated,denied jobs, or the victims of police brutality then racism would be ok?

So if short people were never enslaved, denied the right to vote, segregated, denied jobs and victimized by the police then heightism would be ok?

Oh wait... none of those things have actually happened.

Yes, because you need to be enslaved to be discriminated against  Rolleyes.

I love how you ignore the other stuff.  Wink
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#13
Heightism will never be a legitimate issue like racism is because short people are not a distinct group of people like blacks are. 

(07-02-2018, 06:23 PM)luro98 Wrote: Yes, because you need to be enslaved to be discriminated against  Rolleyes.

Heightism doesn’t exist, you say?


From: Malcolm Gladwell 

 In the U.S. population, about 14.5 percent of all men are six feet or over. Among CEOs of Fortune 500 companies, that number is 58 percent. Even more strikingly, in the general American population, 3.9 percent of adult men are 6’2″ or taller. Among my CEO sample, 30 percent were 6’2″ or taller. . Of the tens of millions of American men below 5’6″, a grand total of ten–in my sample–have reached the level of CEO, which says that being short is probably as much, or more, of a handicap to corporate success as being a woman or an African-American.

...that means 2% of Fortune 500 CEOs are men under 5'6", while 4% are women and 7% are African-American. (African-American women make up less than 2%.)
...when corrected for variables like age and gender and weight, an inch of height is worth $789 a year in salary. That means that a person who is six feet tall, but who is otherwise identical to someone who is five foot five, will make on average $5,525 more per year.

Michigan includes height and weight in its equal protection statute - http://www.michigan.gov/mdcr/0,4613,7-138-4954_4997-16288--,00.html

Height restrictions in Ivy League Schools - http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2005/10/10/getting-in

Sperm Bank height requirements - http://www.salon.com/2011/09/25/sex_cells_interview/

FDA rules that healthy short kids have a disease called "idiopathic short stature" (my bad, it was in 2003, not 2000) - http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/03/transcripts/3957T1.pdf

Boys committing suicide due to height bullying - http://thesocialcomplex.tumblr.com/post/98522110949/14-year-old-bullied-to-death-for-being-short and http://thesocialcomplex.tumblr.com/post/98520339484/the-truth

Wage gap due to height discrimination greater than gender - http://www.livescience.com/5552-taller-people-earn-money.html ("Height was found to be more important than gender in determining income, and its significance doesn't decline with age.") 

Shorter candidates less likely to be hired or promoted - http://epubs.utah.edu/index.php/ulr/article/viewFile/246/218("One business expert has suggested that an additional four inches in height “make[s] much more difference in terms of success in a business career than any paper qualifications you have” and that it would be better to be “5 ft. 10 and a graduate of N.Y.U.’s business school than 5 ft. 6 and a Harvard Business School graduate.” Another commentator concluded that “being short is probably as much, or more, of a handicap to corporate success as being a woman or an African American.”") and http://www.jonathanrauch.com/jrauch_articles/height_discrimination_short_guys_finish_last/

Short people less likely to win elections - http://www.omgfacts.com/lists/9414/Since-1900-the-taller-candidate-has-almost-always-won-the-presidential-election-ab637-1

Percentage is men and women saying “I am Okay with my height” - https://m.imgur.com/bVTMPgT

People making fun of you, refusing to hire/promote you or use your sperm because you look funny is NOT discrimination.
 

Quote:Short people less likely to win elections - http://www.omgfacts.com/lists/9414/Since...on-ab637-1

That's only in the US and there's no guarantee that the shorter candidates lost the election because of their height. Short men win elections all the time in other countries, like France, where the last 3 presidents where all shorter than average. Vladimir Putin is a midget too and most Russians like him. 


Quote:Percentage is men and women saying “I am Okay with my height” - https://m.imgur.com/bVTMPgT

How the hell does this prove discrimination? All it does is prove that short people are not happy with their height, same way ugly people are not happy with their looks.

You clearly hate yourself because of your height and you're directing your anger towards tall men, same way ugly females hate on the pretty girls.
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